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Ryzen 9 9950X3D review: Seriously fast, if a step backward in efficiency


Not a lot of people actually need this thing, but if you do, it’s very good.

AMD’s Ryzen 9 9950X3D. Credit: Andrew Cunningham

AMD’s Ryzen 9 9950X3D. Credit: Andrew Cunningham

Even three years later, AMD’s high-end X3D-series processors still aren’t a thing that most people need to spend extra money on—under all but a handful of circumstances, your GPU will be the limiting factor when you’re running games, and few non-game apps benefit from the extra 64MB chunk of L3 cache that is the processors’ calling card. They’ve been a reasonably popular way for people with old AM4 motherboards to extend the life of their gaming PCs, but for AM5 builds, a regular Zen 4 or Zen 5 CPU will not bottleneck modern graphics cards most of the time.

But high-end PC building isn’t always about what’s rational, and people spending $2,000 or more to stick a GeForce RTX 5090 into their systems probably won’t worry that much about spending a couple hundred extra dollars to get the fastest CPU they can get. That’s the audience for the new Ryzen 9 9950X3D, a 16-core, Zen 5-based, $699 monster of a processor that AMD begins selling tomorrow.

If you’re only worried about game performance (and if you can find one), the Ryzen 7 9800X3D is the superior choice, for reasons that will become apparent once we start looking at charts. But if you want fast game performance and you need as many CPU cores as you can get for other streaming or video production or rendering work, the 9950X3D is there for you. (It’s a little funny to me that this a chip made almost precisely for the workload of the PC building tech YouTubers who will be reviewing it.)  It’s also a processor that Intel doesn’t have any kind of answer to.

Second-generation 3D V-Cache

Layering the 3D V-Cache under the CPU die has made most of the 9950X3D’s improvements possible. Credit: AMD

AMD says the 9000X3D chips use a “second-generation” version of its 3D V-Cache technology after using the same approach for the Ryzen 5000 and 7000 processors. The main difference is that, where the older chips stack the 64MB of extra L3 cache on top of the processor die, the 9000 series stacks the cache underneath, making it easier to cool the CPU silicon.

This makes the processors’ thermal characteristics much more like a typical Ryzen CPU without the 3D V-Cache. And because voltage and temperatures are less of a concern, the 9800X3D, 9900X3D, and 9950X3D all support the full range of overclocking and performance tuning tools that other Ryzen CPUs support.

The 12- and 16-core Ryzen X3D chips are built differently from the 8-core. As we’ve covered elsewhere, AMD’s Ryzen desktop processors are a combination of chiplets—up to two CPU core chiplets with up to eight CPU cores each and a separate I/O die that handles things like PCI Express and USB support. In the 9800X3D, you just have one CPU chiplet, and the 64MB of 3D V-Cache is stacked underneath. For the 9900X3D and 9950X3D, you get one 8-core CPU die with V-Cache underneath and then one other CPU die with 4 or 8 cores enabled and no extra cache.

AMD’s driver software is responsible for deciding what apps get run on which CPU cores. Credit: AMD

It’s up to AMD’s chipset software to decide what kinds of apps get to run on each kind of CPU core. Non-gaming workloads prioritize the normal CPU cores, which are generally capable of slightly higher peak clock speeds, while games that benefit disproportionately from the extra cache are run on those cores instead. AMD’s software can “park” the non-V-Cache CPU cores when you’re playing games to ensure they’re not accidentally being run on less-suitable CPU cores.

This technology will work the same basic way for the 9950X3D as it did for the older 7950X3D, but AMD has made some tweaks. Updates to the chipset driver mean that you can swap your current processor out for an X3D model without needing to totally reinstall Windows to get things working, for example, which was AMD’s previous recommendation for the 7000 series. Another update will improve performance for Windows 10 systems with virtualization-based security (VBS) enabled, though if you’re still on Windows 10, you should be considering an upgrade to Windows 11 so you can keep getting security updates past October.

And for situations where AMD’s drivers can’t automatically send the right workloads to the right kinds of cores, AMD also maintains a compatibility database of applications that need special treatment to take advantage of the 3D V-Cache in the 9900X3D and 9950X3D. AMD says it has added a handful of games to that list for the 9900/9950X3D launch, including Far Cry 6Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, and a couple of Total War games, among others.

Testbed notes

Common elements to all the platforms we test in our CPU testbed include a Lian Li O11 Air Mini case with an EVGA-provided Supernova 850 P6 power supply and a 280 mm Corsair iCue H115i Elite Capellix AIO cooler.

Since our last CPU review, we’ve done a bit of testbed updating to make sure that we’re accounting for a bunch of changes and turmoil on both Intel’s and AMD’s sides of the fence.

For starters, we’re running Windows 11 24H2 on all systems now, which AMD has said should marginally improve performance for architectures going all the way back to Zen 3 (on the desktop, the Ryzen 5000 series). The company made this revelation after early reviewers of the Ryzen 9000 series couldn’t re-create the oddball conditions of their own internal test setups.

As for Intel, the new testing incorporates fixes for the voltage spiking, processor-destroying bugs that affected 13th- and 14th-generation Core processors, issues that Intel fixed in phases throughout 2024. For the latest Core Ultra 200-series desktop CPUs, it also includes performance fixes Intel introduced in BIOS updates and drivers late last year and early this year. (You might have noticed that we didn’t run reviews of the 9800X3D or the Core Ultra 200 series at the time; all of this re-testing of multiple generations of CPUs was part of the reason why).

All of this is to say that any numbers you’re seeing in this review represent recent testing with newer Windows updates, BIOS updates, and drivers all installed.

One thing that isn’t top of the line at the moment is the GeForce RTX 4090, though we are using that now instead of a Radeon RX 7900 XTX.

The RTX 50 series was several months away from being announced when we began collecting updated test data, and we opted to keep the GPU the same for our 9950X3D testing so that we’d have a larger corpus of data to compare the chip to. The RTX 4090 is still, by a considerable margin, the second-fastest consumer GPU that exists right now. But at some point, when we’re ready to do yet another round of totally-from-scratch retesting, we’ll likely swap a 5090 in just to be sure we’re not bottlenecking the processor.

Performance and power: Benefits with fewer drawbacks

The 9950X3D has the second-highest CPU scores in our gaming benchmarks, and it’s behind the 9800X3D by only a handful of frames. This is one of the things we meant when we said that the 9800X3D was the better choice if you’re only worried about game performance. The same dynamic plays out between other 8- and 16-core Ryzen chips—higher power consumption and heat in the high-core-count chips usually bring game performance down just a bit despite the nominally higher boost clocks.

You’ll also pay for it in power consumption, at least at each chip’s default settings. On average, the 9950X3D uses 40 or 50 percent more power during our gaming benchmarks than the 9800X3D running the same benchmarks, even though it’s not capable of running them quite as quickly. But it’s similar to the power use of the regular 9950X, which is quite a bit slower in these gaming benchmarks, even if it does have broadly similar performance in most non-gaming benchmarks.

What’s impressive is what you see when you compare the 9950X3D to its immediate predecessor, the 7950X3D. The 9950X3D isn’t dramatically faster in games, reflecting Zen 5’s modest performance improvement over Zen 4. But the 9950X3D is a lot faster in our general-purpose benchmarks and other non-gaming CPU benchmarks because the changes to how the X3D chips are packaged have helped AMD keep clock speeds, voltages, and power limits pretty close to the same as they are for the regular 9950X.

In short, the 7950X3D gave up a fair bit of performance relative to the 7950X because of compromises needed to support 3D V-Cache. The 9950X3D doesn’t ask you to make the same compromises.

Testing the 9950X3D in its 105 W Eco Mode.

That comes with both upsides and downsides. For example, the 9950X3D looks a lot less power-efficient under load in our Handbrake video encoding test than the 7950X3D because it is using the same amount of power as a normal Ryzen processor. But that’s the other “normal” thing about the 9950X3D—the ability to manually tune those power settings and boost your efficiency if you’re OK with giving up a little performance. It’s not an either/or thing. And at least in our testing, games run just as fast when you set the 9950X3D to use the 105 W Eco Mode instead of the 170 W default TDP.

As for Intel, it just doesn’t have an answer for the X3D series. The Core Ultra 9 285K is perfectly competitive in our general-purpose CPU benchmarks and efficiency, but the Arrow Lake desktop chips struggle to compete with 14th-generation Core and Ryzen 7000 processors in gaming benchmarks, to say nothing of the Ryzen 9000 and to say even less than nothing of the 9800X3D or 9950X3D. That AMD has closed the gap between the 9950X and 9950X3D’s performance in our general-purpose CPU benchmarks means it’s hard to make an argument for Intel here.

The 9950X3D stands alone

I’m not and have never been the target audience for either the 16-core Ryzen processors or the X3D-series processors. When I’m building for myself (and when I’m recommending mainstream builds for our Ars System Guides), I’m normally an advocate for buying the most CPU you can for $200 or $300 and spending more money on a GPU.

But for the game-playing YouTubing content creators who are the 9950X3D’s intended audience, it’s definitely an impressive chip. Games can hit gobsmackingly high frame rates at lower resolutions when paired with a top-tier GPU, behind (and just barely behind) AMD’s own 9800X3D. At the same time, it’s just as good at general-use CPU-intensive tasks as the regular 9950X, fixing a trade-off that had been part of the X3D series since the beginning. AMD has also removed the limits it has in place on overclocking and adjusting power limits for the X3D processors in the 5000 and 7000 series.

So yes, it’s expensive, and no, most people probably don’t need the specific benefits it provides. It’s also possible that you’ll find edge cases where AMD’s technology for parking cores and sending the right kinds of work to the right CPU cores doesn’t work the way it should. But for people who do need or want ultra-high frame rates at lower resolutions or who have some other oddball workloads that benefit from the extra cache, the 9950X3D gives you all of the upsides with no discernible downsides other than cost. And, hey, even at $699, current-generation GPU prices almost make it look like a bargain.

The good

  • Excellent combination of the 9800X3D’s gaming performance and the 9950X’s general-purpose CPU performance
  • AMD has removed limitations on overclocking and power limit tweaking
  • Pretty much no competition for Intel for the specific kind of person the 9950X3D will appeal to

The bad

  • Niche CPUs that most people really don’t need to buy
  • Less power-efficient out of the box than the 7950X3D, though users have latitude to tune efficiency manually if they want
  • AMD’s software has sometimes had problems assigning the right kinds of apps to the right kinds of CPU cores, though we didn’t have issues with this during our testing

The ugly

  • Expensive

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Andrew is a Senior Technology Reporter at Ars Technica, with a focus on consumer tech including computer hardware and in-depth reviews of operating systems like Windows and macOS. Andrew lives in Philadelphia and co-hosts a weekly book podcast called Overdue.

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AMD says top-tier Ryzen 9900X3D and 9950X3D CPUs arrive March 12 for $599 and $699

Like the 7950X3D and 7900X3D, these new X3D chips combine a pair of AMD’s CPU chiplets, one that has the extra 64MB of cache stacked underneath it and one that doesn’t. For the 7950X3D, you get eight cores with extra cache and eight without; for the 7900X3D, you get eight cores with extra cache and four without.

It’s up to AMD’s chipset software to decide what kinds of apps get to run on each kind of CPU core. Non-gaming workloads prioritize the normal CPU cores, which are generally capable of slightly higher peak clock speeds, while games that benefit disproportionately from the extra cache are run on those cores instead. AMD’s software can “park” the non-V-Cache CPU cores when you’re playing games to ensure they’re not accidentally being run on less-suitable CPU cores.

We didn’t have issues with this core parking technology when we initially tested the 7950X3D and 7900X3D, and AMD has steadily made improvements since then to make sure that core parking is working properly. The new 9000-series X3D chips should benefit from that work, too. To get the best results, AMD officially recommends a fresh and fully updated Windows install, along with the newest BIOS for your motherboard and the newest AMD chipset drivers; swapping out another Ryzen CPU for an X3D model (or vice versa) without reinstalling Windows can occasionally lead to CPUs being parked (or not parked) when they are supposed to be (or not supposed to be).

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AMD launches new Ryzen 9000X3D CPUs for PCs that play games and work hard

AMD’s batch of CES announcements this year includes just two new products for desktop PC users: the new Ryzen 9 9950X3D and 9900X3D. Both will be available at some point in the first quarter of 2025.

Both processors include additional CPU cores compared to the 9800X3D that launched in November. The 9900X3D includes 12 Zen 5 CPU cores with a maximum clock speed of 5.5 GHz, and the 9950X3D includes 16 cores with a maximum clock speed of 5.7 GHz. Both include 64MB of extra L3 cache compared to the regular 9900X and 9950X, for a total cache of 144MB and 140MB, respectively; games in particular tend to benefit disproportionately from this extra cache memory.

But the 9950X3D and 9900X3D aren’t being targeted at people who build PCs primarily to game—the company says their game performance is usually within 1 percent of the 9800X3D. These processors are for people who want peak game performance when they’re playing something but also need lots of CPU cores for chewing on CPU-heavy workloads during the workday.

AMD estimates that the Ryzen 9 9950X3D is about 8 percent faster than the 7950X3D when playing games and about 13 percent faster in professional content creation apps. These modest gains are more or less in line with the small performance bump we’ve seen in other Ryzen 9000-series desktop CPUs.

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AMD explains, promises partial fixes for Ryzen 9000 performance problems

We (and other testers) have had issues getting the Ryzen 9000 series to behave normally.

Enlarge / We (and other testers) have had issues getting the Ryzen 9000 series to behave normally.

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AMD recently released its Ryzen 9000-series processors, which brought the company’s new Zen 5 CPU architecture to desktops for the first time. But we (and multiple other reviewers) had issues getting the chips’ performance to match up to AMD’s promises, something that the company wasn’t able to fully resolve before the processors launched to the public.

AMD has since put out statements explaining some of the discrepancies and promising at least partial fixes for some of them.

A Windows problem

The main fix for slower-than-expected game performance, the company says, will come with the Windows 11 24H2 update later this year, which will include “optimized AMD-specific branch prediction code” that improves Ryzen 9000’s performance by between 3 and 13 percent in an AMD-provided cross-section of games and benchmarks (though a handful of tests also showed no change). AMD says that these improvements will also benefit Zen 3- and Zen 4-based Ryzen processors, but that “the biggest boost” will be reserved for Ryzen 9000 and Zen 5.

Apparently, this branch prediction code improvement is already available in current Windows builds if you’re running games and apps in Administrator mode, which AMD used to run its tests. From AMD’s post, it’s unclear whether it was running games from within the normally disabled Administrator account, as has been reported elsewhere, or if it was merely running them in Administrator mode from within a standard user account.

In any case, even a standard user account with Administrator permissions spends most of its time running in a standard user mode, throwing up a User Account Control elevation message when Administrator privileges are needed for something. For security reasons, Windows only runs software in Administrator mode when it’s required, generally to install an app for the first time or make other system-wide changes. Virtually no one will be running games with Administrator privileges or while logged in as Administrator, which makes it an odd testing choice. Regardless, the 24H2 update should make those branch prediction improvements available to standard user accounts running in user mode.

The Windows 11 24H2 update should be released to the general public this fall, though Windows Insiders can also get it from the Insider Preview channel or by downloading an ISO. The 24H2 update is already the default version of Windows on Copilot+ PCs and on the Ryzen AI-powered Asus laptop we tested recently, so for most people it should be stable and reliable enough for day-to-day use.

There’s no word on whether or when these changes might come to Windows 10. But as with Intel’s Thread Director, which is not optimized for Windows 10, I wouldn’t count on AMD or Microsoft working very hard to bring significant performance improvements to a last-generation operating system that is just over a year away from its end-of-support date, even if it is still Steam’s most popular Windows version by a handful of percentage points.

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AMD delays Ryzen 9000 launch to August “out of an abundance of caution”

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More rigorous testing and screening have reportedly corrected the problem.

AMD delays Ryzen 9000 launch to August “out of an abundance of caution”

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AMD had planned to launch its first round of Ryzen 9000-series desktop processors by the end of July, but those plans have changed thanks to a very non-specific problem found with the first batch of processors that AMD sent out to its partners. The six- and eight-core Ryzen 9600X and 9700X are now slated to launch on August 8, and the 12- and 16-core Ryzen 9900X and 9950X will launch on August 15.

AMD’s full statement is below:

We appreciate the excitement around Ryzen 9000 series processors. During final checks, we found the initial production units that were shipped to our channel partners did not meet our full quality expectations. Out of an abundance of caution and to maintain the highest quality experiences for every Ryzen user, we are working with our channel partners to replace the initial production units with fresh units. As a result, there will be a short delay in retail availability. The Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X processors will now go on sale on August 8th and the Ryzen 9 9950X and Ryzen 9 9900X processors will go on-sale on August 15th. We pride ourselves in providing a high-quality experience for every Ryzen user, and we look forward to our fans having a great experience with the new Ryzen 9000 series.

When asked for details about the specific problem and what the fix was, AMD Public Relations Manager Matthew Hurwitz told Ars that AMD had implemented additional screening for the Ryzen 9000 CPUs but couldn’t share specifics about what AMD is screening for.

It doesn’t seem as though any changes are being made to the silicon or the manufacturing process itself, and Hurwitz told us that the first batch of processors would be sent back out to channel partners once they had been recalled and re-screened.

The Ryzen 9000-series CPUs are the direct follow-up to the Ryzen 7000 series from late 2022, and the second generation of chips to use the AM5 processor socket—if you don’t count the Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs, which are Ryzen 7000 with more L3 cache, or the Ryzen 8000G chips, which are Zen 4-based laptop processors repackaged for desktops. Ryzen 9000 chips should drop into existing AM5 motherboards after a BIOS update, though AMD is also releasing a mildly improved lineup of chipsets to power new boards.

AMD has prioritized power efficiency for the Ryzen 9000 chips but is still promising low-double-digit performance improvements in both single- and multi-core workloads.

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AMD brags about Ryzen 9000’s efficiency, extends AM5 support guarantee to 2027

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Ryzen 9000 will also have more overclocking headroom, for those interested.

AMD's Ryzen 9000 launch lineup.

Enlarge / AMD’s Ryzen 9000 launch lineup.

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AMD has released more information about its next-generation Ryzen 9000 processors and their underlying Zen 5 CPU architecture this week ahead of their launch at the end of July. The company reiterated some of the high-level performance claims it made last month—low- to mid-double-digit performance increases over Zen 4 in both single- and multi-threaded tasks. But AMD also bragged about the chips’ power efficiency compared to Ryzen 7000, pointing out that they would reduce power usage despite increasing performance.

Prioritizing power efficiency

AMD said that it has lowered the default power limits for three of the four Ryzen 9000 processors—the Ryzen 5 9600X, the Ryzen 7 9700X, and the Ryzen 9 7900X—compared to the Ryzen 7000 versions of those same chips. Despite the lower default power limit, all three of those chips still boast double-digit performance improvements over their predecessors. AMD also says that Ryzen 9000 CPU temperatures have been reduced by up to 7º Celsius compared to Ryzen 7000 chips at the same settings.

  • Ryzen 9000’s low-double-digit performance gains are coming despite the fact that the company has lowered most of its chips’ default TDPs. These TDP settings determine how much power one of AMD’s CPUs can use (though not necessarily how much they will use).

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  • Because the TDPs have been lowered, AMD claims that Ryzen 9000 chips will have a bit more overclocking headroom than Ryzen 7000.

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It’s worth noting that we generally tested the original Ryzen 7000 CPUs at multiple power levels, and for most chips—most notably the 7600X and 7700X—we found that the increased TDP levels didn’t help performance all that much in the first place. The TDP lowering in the Ryzen 9000 may be enabled partly by architectural improvements or a newer manufacturing process, but AMD already had some headroom to lower those power usage numbers without affecting performance too much. TDP is also best considered as a power limit rather than the actual amount of power that a CPU will use for any given workload, even when fully maxed out.

Still, we appreciate AMD’s focus on power efficiency for the Ryzen 9000 series, especially because Intel’s high-end 13900K and 14900K have been plagued by crashes that seem to be related to high power use and improper motherboard configurations. Intel has yet to release a definitive statement about what the issue is, but it’s plausible (maybe even likely!) that it’s a side effect of these chips being pushed to their thermal and electrical limits.

Ryzen 9000 CPUs can still be pushed further by users who want to raise those power limits and try overclocking—AMD points out that the chips all have more headroom for Precision Boost Overdrive automated overclocking, precisely because the default power limits leave a little more performance on the table. But as long as the chips still perform well at their default settings, people who just want to build a computer without doing a ton of tinkering will be better served by chips that run cooler and use less power.

More time on the clock for socket AM5

  • AMD has committed to supporting the AM5 socket until “2027+,” two more years than the “2025+” it promised back in late 2022.

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  • Ryzen 9000 will launch alongside several marginally updated chipsets, though existing AM5 boards will be able to use these chips after a BIOS update.

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Another small but noteworthy change buried in AMD’s slide decks, and good news for anyone who has already invested in a Socket AM5 motherboard or has plans to do so in the near future: AMD has officially extended the socket’s guaranteed support timeline to at least 2027 and is leaving the door open to support past that point. That’s a two-year extension from the “2025+” timeline that the company laid out in late 2022.

Of course, “support” could mean a lot of different things. AMD is still officially supporting the AM4 socket with new CPU releases and continues to lean on AM4 as a budget platform as socket AM5 costs have remained stubbornly high. But these “new” releases have all been repackagings of various iterations of the late-2020-era Ryzen 5000 CPUs, rather than truly new products. Still, AMD’s formal commitment to socket AM5’s longevity makes it a bit easier to recommend for people who upgrade their CPUs regularly.

Ryzen 9000 chips will be able to pop into any current AM5 motherboard after a BIOS update. The company is also announcing a range of 800-series chipsets for new motherboards, though these generally only come with minor improvements compared to the 600-series chipsets they replace. The X870E and X870 are guaranteed to have USB 4 ports, and the X870 supports PCIe 5.0 speeds for the GPU slot where the X670 only supported PCIe 4.0 speeds for the GPU slot. The lower-end B850 chipset still supports PCIe 5.0 speeds for SSDs and PCIe 4.0 speeds for GPUs, while an even lower-end B840 chipset is restricted to PCIe 3.0 speeds for everything. The B840 also won’t support CPU overclocking, though it can still overclock RAM.

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AMD’s next-gen Ryzen 9000 desktop chips and the Zen 5 architecture arrive in July

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  • AMD is announcing Ryzen 9000 and Zen 5, the second CPU architecture for its AM5 platform.

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  • AMD’s Ryzen 9 9950X heads up the new Ryzen 9000 family.

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  • There are three other variants here, with 12, 8, and 6 Zen 5 CPU cores. The Ryzen 7000 series launched with chips at the same tiers.

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  • AMD is also announcing a pair of high-end chipsets, though they don’t offer much that’s new; 600-series boards should all support Ryzen 9000 after a BIOS update.

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  • The Zen 5 CPU architecture powers the Ryzen 9000 series.

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  • A handful of architectural highlights from Zen 5.

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  • The performance improvements with Zen 5 are occasionally quite impressive, but on average we’re looking at a 16 percent increase over Zen 4 at the same clock speeds. That’s decent, but not as good as the move from Zen 3 to Zen 4.

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It’s been almost two years since AMD introduced its Ryzen 7000 series desktop CPUs and the Zen 4 CPU architecture. Today, AMD is announcing the first concrete details about their successors. The Ryzen 9000 CPUs begin shipping in July.

At a high level, the Ryzen 9000 series and Zen 5 architecture offer mostly incremental improvements over Ryzen 7000 (Ryzen 8000 on the desktop is used exclusively for Zen 4-based G-series CPUs with more powerful integrated GPUs). AMD says that Zen 5 is roughly 16 percent faster than Zen 4 at the same clock speeds, depending on the workload—certainly not nothing, and there are some workloads that perform much better. But that number is far short of the 29 percent jump between Zen 3 and Zen 4.

AMD and Intel have both compensated for mild single-core performance improvements in the past by adding more cores, but Ryzen 9000 doesn’t do that. From the 9600X to the 9950X, the chips offer between 6 and 16 full-size Zen 5 cores, the same as every desktop lineup since Zen 2 and the Ryzen 3000 series. De-lidded shots of the processors indicate that they’re still using a total of two or three separate chiplets: one or two CPU chiplets with up to 8 cores each, and a separate I/O die to handle connectivity. The CPU chiplets are manufactured on a TSMC N4 process, an upgrade from the 5nm process used for Ryzen 7000, while the I/O die is still made with a 6nm TSMC process.

Ryzen 9000 has the same layout as the last few generations of Ryzen desktop CPU—two CPU chiplets with up to eight cores each, and an I/O die to handle connectivity.

Enlarge / Ryzen 9000 has the same layout as the last few generations of Ryzen desktop CPU—two CPU chiplets with up to eight cores each, and an I/O die to handle connectivity.

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These chips include no Zen 5c E-cores, as older rumors suggested. Zen 5c is a version of Zen 5 that is optimized to take up less space in a silicon die, at the expense of higher clock speeds; Zen 5c cores are making their debut in the Ryzen AI 300-series laptop chips AMD also announced today. Boosting the number of E-cores has helped Intel match and surpass AMD’s multi-core performance, though Ryzen’s power consumption and efficiency have both outdone Intel’s throughout the 12th-, 13th-, and 14th-generation Core product cycles. Apple also uses a mix of P-cores and E-cores in its  high-end desktop CPU designs.

Ryzen 9000 doesn’t include any kind of neural processing unit (NPU), nor does AMD mention whether the Ryzen 7000’s RDNA 2-based integrated GPU has been upgraded or improved.

AMD is also announcing new X870 and X870E motherboard chipsets to accompany the new processors; as with the X670, the E-series chipset is actually a pair of chipsets on the same motherboard, boosting the number of available USB ports, M.2 slots, and PCIe slots.

The only real improvement here seems to be that all X870-series boards support USB4 and higher EXPO memory overclocking speeds by default. The chipsets also support PCIe 5.0 speeds for the main PCIe slot and M.2 slot, though the X670 chipsets already did this.

The processors’ power requirements aren’t changing, so users with 600-series motherboards ought to be able to use Ryzen 9000 CPUs with little to no performance penalty following a BIOS update.

  • AMD plans to keep the AM4 socket around as a budget platform until at least 2025, according to this slide.

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  • To that end, it’s announcing a couple more riffs on the old Zen 3-based Ryzen 5000 series, to entice budget builders and upgraders. Pricing hasn’t been announced.

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Ryzen 9000 doesn’t seem likely to resolve the biggest issues with the AM5 platform, namely the high costs relative to current-gen Intel systems, the high cost relative to AM4-based systems today, and even the high cost relative to AM4-based systems at the same point in the AM4 socket’s lifespan. Motherboards remain more expensive, DDR5 memory remains more expensive, and there are still no AM5 processors available for significantly less than $200.

According to AMD’s own timeline, it plans to keep the AM4 socket around until at least 2025. AM4 is still a surprisingly decent budget platform given that the socket was introduced eight years ago, and AMD does, in fact, continue to trickle out new Ryzen 5000-series CPUs to give buyers and upgrades more options. But it still means that system builders either need to choose between an expensive platform that has a future or a cheaper platform that’s more or less a dead end.

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AMD intros Ryzen AI 300 chips with Zen 5, better GPU, and hugely improved NPU

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High-end Ryzen laptop chips combine big and little Zen cores for the first time.

  • AMD’s Ryzen AI 300 series is its next-gen laptop platform, and the first to support Copilot+ PC features.

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  • Ryzen AI 300 uses a new CPU architecture, a revamped NPU, and a tweaked GPU architecture that AMD hasn’t said much about.

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  • Only two high-end processors will be available by July, though others will surely follow.

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  • How AMD’s new laptop CPU naming scheme applies to Ryzen AI 300.

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AMD’s next-generation laptop processors are coming later this year, joining new Ryzen 9000 desktop processors and ushering in yet another revamp to the way AMD does laptop CPU model numbers.

But the big thing the company wants to push is the new chips’ performance in generative AI and machine-learning workloads—it’s putting “Ryzen AI” right in the name and emphasizing the presence of an improved neural processing unit (NPU) that meets and exceeds Microsoft’s performance requirements for Copilot+ PCs. The new Ryzen AI 300-series, codenamed Strix Point, succeeds the Ryzen 8040 chips from earlier this year, which were themselves a relatively mild refresh for the Ryzen 7040 processors less than a year before.

AMD promises performance of up to 50 trillion operations per second (TOPS) with its new third-generation NPU, a significant boost from the 10 to 16 TOPS offered by Ryzen 7000 and 8000 processors with NPUs. This would make it faster than the 45 TOPS offered by the Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite and X Plus in the first wave of Copilot+ compatible PCs, and also Intel’s projected performance for its next-generation Core Ultra chips, codenamed Lunar Lake. All exceed Microsoft’s Copilot+ requirement of 40 TOPS, which enables some Windows 11 features that aren’t normally available on typical PCs. Copilot+ PCs can do more AI processing locally on device rather than relying on the cloud, potentially improving performance and giving users more privacy.

If you don’t particularly care about generative AI, locally executed or otherwise, the Ryzen AI 300 processors also come with an updated CPU based on the same Zen 5 architecture as the desktop chips, plus an “RDNA 3.5” integrated GPU to boost gaming performance for thin-and-light systems that can’t fit a dedicated graphics processor. The chips are being manufactured on a TSMC N4 process.

  • AMD is mostly talking about the performance of the new NPU, which at least according to AMD should slightly outperform offerings from Qualcomm and Intel.

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  • The new integrated GPUs stack up well against Intel’s current Arc GPUs, though how they perform against next-gen Lunar Lake-based chips is anyone’s guess.

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AMD is announcing two chips today, both in the high-end Ryzen 9 series. The Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 includes 12 CPU cores and 16 GPU cores, up from a maximum of eight CPU cores and 12 GPU cores for the Ryzen 8040 series. The Ryzen AI 9 365 steps down to 10 CPU cores and 12 GPU cores. Both have the same NPU onboard.

Though an increase in CPU core count suggests big improvements in multi-threaded performance, note that in both chips a majority of the CPU cores (8 in the 370, 6 in the 365) actually use the “Zen 5c” architecture, a variant of Zen 5 that supports the exact same instructions and features but is optimized for small size rather than high clock speeds. The result is essentially AMD’s version of one of Intel’s E-cores, though without the truly heterogeneous CPU architecture that has caused incompatibility problems with some apps and games.

This isn’t the first time we’ve seen a mix of big and small CPU cores from AMD, but it is the first time we’ve seen it at the high-end. Zen 4c cores only really showed up in lower-end, lower-power CPU designs in the Ryzen 3 and 5 and Ryzen Z1 families.

Perhaps tellingly, AMD offered no direct comparisons between the CPU performance of the Ryzen AI 300 chips and the Ryzen 8040 series, opting instead to compare to offerings from Intel, Qualcomm, and Apple. This certainly doesn’t mean performance has regressed generation over generation, but it is usually code for “this isn’t the kind of improvement we want to draw attention to.”

AMD also didn’t offer performance comparisons between the new Radeon 890M and 880M and the old Radeon 780M. The company said that the 890M was an average of 36 percent faster in a small selection of games compared to the Intel Arc integrated GPU in the Meteor Lake Core Ultra chips and 60 percent faster than the Snapdragon X Elite in the 3DMark Night Raid benchmark (this was part of a slide that was specifically highlighting the performance impact of translating x86 code on Arm chips, though for the time being it’s true that the vast majority of games running on Snapdragon PCs will have to deal with the overhead of code translation).

AMD says that the Ryzen AI chips are slated to appear in “100+ platforms from OEMs” starting in July 2024, a month or so after Microsoft and Qualcomm’s first wave of Snapdragon X-equipped Copilot+ PCs. Ryzen AI will also compete with Intel’s next-gen Lunar Lake chips, also due out sometime later this year.

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